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Post by pinkard on Jun 18, 2008 7:41:56 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/health/views/17essa.html?em&ex=1213934400&en=f8ba07f9bf7002d3&ei=5087%0A…compounded by increasing liability premiums that have forced many into early retirement. THE HORRORDoctors are working harder and faster to maintain income… THE HORROR“When I was a resident I thought it was enough to take good care of patients. But the real world is totally different.” THE HORRORPlease let socialized medicine come into being. I want to shut these extortionists down like there's no tomorrow. That is all.
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Post by Berserkier on Jun 18, 2008 8:45:52 GMT -5
Agree.
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Post by Lord Bismarcus on Jun 18, 2008 9:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by Big League Chew on Jun 18, 2008 9:57:53 GMT -5
The entire healthcare industry needs SOME sort of makeover. It's terrible.
Incredible costs, incredible inefficiencies, incredible problems, and even though there are some amazing doctors/treatments/cures/research/etc out there, they're overshadowed by the crooks.
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Post by pinkard on Jun 18, 2008 10:06:22 GMT -5
They're not even really crooks. It's just the elitism that surrounds the industry that is clearly the issue. If you give people the power to write their own paychecks and it's an exchange of your money or you life - what can you expect?
They can blame the insurance industry all they want. That industry wouldn't exist in it's current state if the 95% of the damned doctors weren't interested in extortion, light work weeks and early retirement.
It's like wealthy people complaining about the tax system. Well, it wouldn't be so f?cked up if the wealthy weren't constantly trying to find loopholes and skirt their responsibility.
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Post by Big League Chew on Jun 18, 2008 10:08:40 GMT -5
Doctors interested in extortion, light work weeks, and early retirement....and they essentially control our health.
That's what I would call crooks.
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Post by Sugarbutt on Jun 18, 2008 10:47:58 GMT -5
Big talk from a bunch of useless goobers in meaningless jobs with at best half the education of even the worst doctor.
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Post by pinkard on Jun 18, 2008 10:50:10 GMT -5
WE ARE MANY
This is a truth that the powerful and the wealthy always have to learn the hard way. You don't get to bankrupt thousands of people each year just because you got a little extra education.
Faggot.
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Post by Sugarbutt on Jun 18, 2008 10:52:13 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sure there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Post by Big League Chew on Jun 18, 2008 10:54:24 GMT -5
Actually, having both spent a lot of time doing marketing for the healthcare industry, and having a family member be on the receiving end of some intense care FROM the healthcare industry, I feel that I speak with at least some level of knowledge.
There is an incredible amount of inefficiency there. Were it some other industry (manufacturing, for example), things would have to change. But since everyone HAS to have healthcare at one time or another, there's less pressure to do things right. They have a built-in customer base that'll never diminish.
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Post by Sugarbutt on Jun 18, 2008 10:57:44 GMT -5
I never said there wasn't inefficiency. Actually, I didn't say much at all beyond pointing out that it was 3 complete rubes discussing an Occupation (Doctor) that is so far above your meager cognitive functions as to render the discussion meaningless.
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Post by ________ I'm behind you. on Jun 18, 2008 11:30:58 GMT -5
go back to communist russia you commies.
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Post by Lord Bismarcus on Jun 18, 2008 11:40:38 GMT -5
Yoho your job is to reset the default printers on the PCs in your office! You're on no high horse here!
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Post by pinkard on Jun 18, 2008 12:24:09 GMT -5
I never said there wasn't inefficiency. Actually, I didn't say much at all beyond pointing out that it was 3 complete rubes discussing an Occupation (Doctor) that is so far above your meager cognitive functions as to render the discussion meaningless. Here let me put this in YoHo speak: We're not discussing the Occupation (Doctor) YoHo, we're discussing the Business (Doctor). Occupation (Doctor) <> Business (Doctor) Guess what? 99% of those doctors never studied business either, so they're as unqualified to discuss it as we are. You need to squint your eyes a little more. Faggot.
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Post by Lord Bismarcus on Jun 18, 2008 12:37:47 GMT -5
Lol
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Post by Sugarbutt on Jun 18, 2008 19:34:35 GMT -5
I never said there wasn't inefficiency. Actually, I didn't say much at all beyond pointing out that it was 3 complete rubes discussing an Occupation (Doctor) that is so far above your meager cognitive functions as to render the discussion meaningless. Here let me put this in YoHo speak: We're not discussing the Occupation (Doctor) YoHo, we're discussing the Business (Doctor). Occupation (Doctor) <> Business (Doctor) Guess what? 99% of those doctors never studied business either, so they're as unqualified to discuss it as we are. You need to squint your eyes a little more. Faggot. I agree, but then why are you calling them to the carpet. releshing their potential misfortune when they aren't the cause. Also, BM, my job is quite literally to ensure the effective delivery of Porn to Saudi Arabia so that their population doesn't all devolve into terrorism.
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Post by Lord Bismarcus on Jun 18, 2008 22:07:50 GMT -5
Whatever you say, Mr. Why-Isn't-My-Computar-Working-Oh-Wait-This-Is-The-Mouse-I-Thought-It-Was-A-Potato-Man.
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Post by Dancin' Dan the Doo-Dah Man on Jun 19, 2008 0:59:34 GMT -5
This entire debate - and I mean the entire nation's debate about health care, not just the few of us - is ignoring a fundamental fact. Price is determined by supply and demand. The demand is set by people's expectations for their health and longevity, as well as general environmental factors that determine how often people need medical attention in order to maintain the level of health that they want. that's culturally determined and isn't going to be easily changed unless you can (1) make our general environment so healthy that people can meet their health expectations with significantly less medical attention or (2) get people to lower their health and longevity expectations.
Supply is another issue and is a lot more amenable to solution than demand is. After all, the supply involves a relatively smaller number of people than the demand end of the equation, which is, essetially, everybody. The rarer the service in question (medical care) the higher the price will be for the customer - and the more common it is, the lower the price will be. Reduce it to that simple fundamental and you get a solution which is equally simply fundamental - increase the supply of those providing the service and the price will drop.
To put it a little more specifically, the government should provide some targetted educational assistance for people wanting education in medicine, and I mean people studying to be RN's, MD's, PA's and technicians. I'm not saying make it free or something; after all, even if we get the price to drop, medical providers will still be some of the better-paid people around, so they'll still have the ability to pay. I'm just talking about making loans a little more relaxed in terms of how long they get to repay. Instead of expecting loan repayment to start almost immediately after graduation from medical school, when even an MD still isn't making all that much money (especially in light of the size of the loan in question) let repayment wait ten years or so when they're making a little more bank and can pay it a little more easily. The same should apply to other medical providers.
Increase the number of medical care providers competing for patients and the price will go down, simple as that. Obviously elite specialties like brain surgery and oncology will still draw the cream of the crop in terms of talent and will still command high fees, but truthfully, most people never need the services of a brain surgeon or oncologist and those who do can have their need covered by catastrophic health insurance clauses to cover those statistically unlikely situations.
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Post by pinkard on Jun 19, 2008 7:23:04 GMT -5
That's the problem Dan - doctors and the AMA are a cartel and they like it that way. They've become gatekeepers for all kinds of stupid shit that shouldn't be done by someone who has 8 years of intensive higher education - but that's their bread and butter.
DeBeers. OPEC. AMA. It's good work if you can get it.
THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPETE. They want the supply to remain tighter than fück.
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Post by Sugarbutt on Jun 19, 2008 11:59:50 GMT -5
Whatever you say, Mr. Why-Isn't-My-Computar-Working-Oh-Wait-This-Is-The-Mouse-I-Thought-It-Was-A-Potato-Man. I'm am quite serious. We provide the only internet connection not filtered by the Saudi Government. Thus we provide the porn.
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Post by Lord Bismarcus on Jun 19, 2008 12:00:29 GMT -5
In 3-5 years they won't be able to afford internet out there anyway.
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Post by Phill on Jun 19, 2008 13:22:38 GMT -5
Jesus, Danny. You don't count on the f?cking invisible hand to keep people alive. Market forces aren't the solution to everything.
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